Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom speaks as he comes face to face for the first time with New Zealand Prime Minister John Key as lawmakers examine a controversial proposal allowing intelligence agencies to spy on local residents at Bowen House in Wellington on July 03, 2013.
Tensions between Kim Dotcom and Prime Minister John Key were raised as the pair sparred at a parliamentary committee hearing on the government’s proposed surveillance law, with Dotcom voicing his opposition to the controversial legislation.
The New Zealand government has proposed a change in the law to allow the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCJB) to provide support to the New Zealand Police, Defense Force and the Security Intelligence Service.
Dotcom was voicing his opposition to the law and was the star of the show on the second day of hearings of the secretive Security and Intelligence Committee.
“We should avoid blindly following the US into the dark ages of spying. In the end, the GCSB is just a subsidiary of the (US) National Security Agency and the US government calls all the shots,” he told the committee.
Dotcom went on to urge New Zealanders to repeat their “heroic stance” of the 1980’s when they declared New Zealand nuclear free, by rejecting the proposed bill.
“There has never been a greater need for New Zealanders to once again step forward and declare their values shall not be abandoned or suspended under pressure from the United States,” he said.
He also pointed out that the proposed extension of spying powers was “poorly timed considering the scandalous leaks concerning US mass surveillance of the world’s population, including US allies.”
This is the first time the committee, which is being chaired by John Key the New Zealand Prime Minister, has opened its doors to the public.
Dr. Rodney Harrison QC, a senior barrister, told the committee that further details on the extent of the proposed legislation were needed before it was made law.
“The first and most critical question is, precisely what activities are to be engaged in by the GCSB. We don’t even know the answer to this question,” he said.
The government needs 61 votes in order to pass the bill but is currently one vote short.
Mr Key needs Peter Dunne, an independent MP, to vote for it if it is to pass, as the Maori Party, the governments other support partner is unlikely to give its backing.
Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom (L) speaks as he comes face to face for the first time with New Zealand Prime Minister John Key (R) as lawmakers examine a controversial proposal allowing intelligence agencies to spy on local residents at Bowen House in Wellington on July 3, 2013.
If Dunne’s vote is not forth coming, Key will have to go to the New Zealand Frist party for support; a small, populist, cross-bench party.
New Zealand’s GCSB is a partner in the so-called “five-eyes” group, a technical and information sharing partnership, which is officially called The Technical Cooperation Program (TTCP) and includes the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand and which is led by America’s National Security Agency.
Dotcom’s spying claims
Dotcom is being sought by the US on charges of copyright infringement and money laundering, in connection with his file sharing site Megaupload.
Dotcom is claiming he has evidence that Key, contrary to repeated public assurances, had been aware of his activities before a dramatic raid on Kim Dotcom’s mansion north of Auckland last year.
Kim Dotcom’s status as a permanent resident of New Zealand meant the GCSB was not allowed to spy on him. The Prime Minster later issued a public apology over the incident.
“Abuse of spying powers is not limited to national security matters. The GCSB was involved in the raid on my home to support an alleged breach of copyright, it has nothing to do with terrorism or national security,” he said.
“Oh he knew about me before the raid, I know about that. You know I know,” said dotcom staring straight at Key.
“I know you don’t know. I know you don’t know,” the Prime Minster replied.
“Why are you turning red, Prime Minister?” Kim quipped back.
“I’m not. Why are you sweating?” said Key.
“It’s hot. I have a scarf,” said Kim.
After the hearing Kim told the New Zealand TV3 Campbell live program, while grinning at the camera, “I do not know Edward Snowdon personally, that’s all I want to say about this.”
Key later told reporters that Kim was “a well-known conspiracy theorist. He’s utterly wrong.”
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